Perhaps one of the biggest things we're suffering from now in Anglo-American literary criticism is how little we know how to handle a post-hermeneutic mode of interpretation. That is, as we gather more and more of an idea of what post-hermeneutical criticism would actually look like, we are, at the same time, losing a sense of how older critical devices can be turned towards this new form of criticism (or how we can invent new devices out of old ones). In other words, it doesn't take as much effort as some people might think to use a device in a post-hermeneutical way. So what is betrayed is not a lack of knowledge about what interpretation would be like without hermeneutics, but a lack of knowledge about how this new interpretation really is already at work in many ways in what we do already.We generally know now, I think, that there are several forms this post-hermeneutic interpretation would look. The clearest example--that is, the one that is easiest for us to wrap our head around as far as how its post-hermeneutic operations look--is a sociology of literature: here what is at issue is nothing about the meaning of a text, but how that text fits into a system that produces that meaning as an effect of its (the system's) operation. It does this little switcharoo, however, without trying to say that the system is any more viable a source of meaning than the text: this is what makes it less hermeneutically invested--it doesn't try to find a real sphere where meaning originates. The post-hermeneutic act of interpretation, then, is in the laying out of the system. Franco Moretti gives us some very clear examples of what this work of elaboration can involve: making graphs or maps of data (how many copies sold, where, how, etc.) or just simply the explanation of the paths between these pieces of data.
What Moretti doesn't tell you, though, is that we do this already, sometimes, in hermeneutic interpretation. We just don't emphasize it, or really work on it for its own sake. When I write an essay about a book, I organize whatever I find out about it. A lot of the work of my hermeneutic effort depends on this organization. But I eventually use it for hermeneutic ends. And because I do so--and here is why my hermeneutic effort will look a lot different than Moretti's--I confine myself to the work that exposes sites of meaning. And these tend to be internal to the text (or intrinsic, to use the old term). And even when they are extrinsic (sales figures, etc.), they tend not to extend themselves out into networks that aren't subordinated to the intrinsic work of the book. They therefore don't give us a wide ranging study of the networks themselves--studies like Pascal Casanova's.
But this presence of the post-hermeneutic in the hermeneutic should be kept in mind, I think. For what happens when this isn't recognized is you get post-hermeneutic critics trying to just pick up the hermeneutic devices without caring about how they have to modify them to be post-hermeneutic. In other words, they just use all the old devices and say they are not unlocking meaning with them--and in a lot of cases, we just have to take them on their word that they are doing this. This is how that odd phenomenon that I will call the New Aestheticism--a phenomenon that is catching on--works. New Aestheticist critics (I have Michael D. Hurley in mind, but also bits of Stanley Fish and even Eve Sedgwick) use certain ambiguous but old and commonsense categories like "feeling" or "pleasure" (as in, how does that poem make you feel?) to try and 1) integrate these maligned phenomena back into the work of interpretation (which is laudable) and 2) make these phenomena into a sort of unmeaning excess that is the only point of the text. Not only does the second aim completely undo what would have been the laudable aspects of first (it effectively maligns affect yet again--and I think this is pretty unforgivable, because at the same time these people act as if their crusade in the name of affect makes them a morally justified), the second point really misunderstands what post-hermeneutic interpretation is about. That is, the second point proceeds as if post-hermeneutic interpretation is only the act of pointing out that the only meaning of a text is a non-meaning. In other words, the Aestheticists think that if you come up with a sort of moment where what is at work is something vague (unelaborated) like a pleasure (individual or collective), and then say that all the text does is produce this, you've canceled out any particular hermeneutical work you've done along the way--and that this cancelling out is the goal of post-hermeneutic discourse. But it's evident that this isn't really talking about pleasure (it's talking about meaning) and it isn't really post-hermeneutic, because it doesn't--like the graphs do--use any devices as post-hermeneutic devices. It uses them as hermeneutic devices and then tries to subtract their work.
The real problem would be precisely finding out how these old hermeneutic devices look when they operate in a post-hermeneutic way--and how they have to maintain themselves to keep working, i.e. what demands they make or compromises they have to bring about on the part of the critic. This is what I find in the work of some (and only some) deconstruction: in this area, we have close reading without its hermeneutic goal--close reading that doesn't bring out any meanings but instead organizes a text differently than before. To think about the micro-elements that make up this work of reorganization, and how they must work if they themselves do not produce meaning--this is what deconstruction is, and what makes it a neat site of (still pretty intrinsic, unfortunately) criticism that tries to negotiate these problems, not run away from them.
Or rather, act like it is too in the right to deal with them. For the real bad thing is these New Aestheticists have the gall to attack other post-hermeneutic modes of criticism: they yell at the New Formalism, which has these post-hermeneutic tendencies (especially when it becomes Derridian), and against the sociology of literature people. This is partially because the New Aestheticism becomes merely intrinsic again, shutting itself off from a lot of "statements about society," as it might call the result of these other forms of interpretation--while modestly claiming that it wouldn't presume that it was able to say anything with that weight (when it is in reality presuming twice as much and is half as moral). Most often, though, they yell at "theory." Theory--and what to them is its sidekick, cultural criticism--was nothing other than the subordination of post-hermeneutical efforts (the work of Derrida, Foucault, Lacan, etc.) to hermeneutic ends. Theory is the mistake that the New Aestheticst's approach will reverse by focusing on more traditional, but more overlooked (in the recent years of theory's wildness, particularly due to its fascination with politics) elements of the text.
I'd contest the idea that theory worked this way, however. This seems only to describe bad theory--which is just bad literary criticism in general. Theory might have worked precisely as a way for people to organize their ideas in a post-hermeneutic way. It did this not by actually carrying out what the post-hermeneutic authors that were its progenitors (Derrida, etc.) were saying, but it sort of met them half way by deploying something similar of its own.
For when we talk theory, we are usually describing something we could talk about in a different way. Theory is a sort of shorthand, in most cases, for concepts of interpretation that are often different than those of old (those of the New Criticism). I might say that the particular moment in this text reminds us of Lacan's mirror stage, which I would then outline... and this would be a theoretical remark. I can even use one theorist and then another: the mirror stage can be imbued, here, in this textual instance, with a sort of Foucauldian power... This is the way theorists often talked, and often confused ideas--as the New Aestheticists would say. I'd say instead that while this was a confusion, it was doing something more as well. This sort of shorthand allowed one to proceed more and more without reference to meaning insofar as it originated in the text itself. One could be led, then, from theorist to theorist--submitting the text to the play of this sort of parallel interpretation that was going on. For what happened was the theorists would be elucidated with respect to each other, fit together in new and interesting ways. Or at least one theorists ideas, reified by this process, would be made to work in odd ways that perhaps, if they were submitted to some ideal of systamaticity (or even to the rules of organic, philosophical thought, which theory does not follow), or even to the rest of the system from which they originated, would not have occurred to anyone. In other words, what happened was that the text got related and referred to a discourse that was developing alongside it. And what this did was pry away the interpretive effort from the hermeneutical effort in the first place. This is what theory did, I think, and it is the only way that a more rigorously post-hermeneutical discourse can now (in the Anglophone world) be taken up. Theory, then, was a post-hermeneutical modification of one of the basic tools in the hermeneutical toolkit: the reference to an authority, usually philosophical. This work of reference was made to work in and of itself, and forgo its capability for elucidating the text. The authority would then merely cohabit the interpretive essay with the text, and at this point--though it also was sustained by a huge academic regime, and this I would say was a very bad step--would be working out what interpretation was like without opening up a meaning in the text.
So far from being a mistake, theory was what makes the discourse of the New Aestheticists possible, and may have even operated in a similar way to other forms of post-heremeneutic criticism. What it didn't do, though, was make the post-hermeneutic use of interpretive devices seem easy, which is practically the only thing the New Aestheticism does (although I'd say this only of some theory, in the end: theory also did this, and thus actually made possible the New Aestheticist fascination with canceling out its hermeneutical work--just look at Spivak and her fascination with writing under-erasure and you will see this is the real goal of that erasure). The focus on pleasure, the focus on the excessive feeling that a text gives you, when this is considered as non-meaning, does not give us anything in itself. As I said, it even erases what is left of any conception of pleasure that we have--and it is dependent upon preserving the ambiguousness and thus the maligned and ostracized status of pleasure. (So to the idea of pleasure or feeling that this criticism employs must be opposed, precisely, Raymond Williams' idea of structures of feeling--an idea that has affinities with a sociology of literature.)
Allowing a mere descriptive work of interpretation, a phenomenology without a point (phenomenology's strength is that it invokes the ideal, the invisible), this New Aestheticism should be avoided. Above all, it forgoes the need to explain more what is theoretically advantageous about its conception of pleasure, or even to look into its origins (Hurley, for one, is completely anti-scientific and would resist this project). Without a more elaborated notion of what pleasure is, about what will be cancelled out by the work of the New Aestheticist criticism--and, for that matter, the work of cancellation itself, which is merely effected by the reference to a vague notion of pleasure now--all we have in the end is one of those old vague analyses of style, or, even worse, something like a book club. It is not that literary criticism has to be submitted to the rigors of scientificity--and this is really what the New Aestheticism rejects, not hermeneutics (but passes its opposition for the former off for opposition to the latter). It is just that what this idea of scientificity allows is rational discourse, discourse that is sustained by discussion and by the articulation of points. And this is not in opposition to a post-hermeneutic project. The idea that it is, that we can only have a discussion that operates post-hermeneutically if it is not submitted to the rigors of articulated discourse--this is what is at the heart of this turn back to the excess of (this made-up and unstructured conception of) pleasure, of feeling.
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Hi Mike,
Sharp as usual. Because I don't know Hurley's work and because based on what you say I totally agree with you, I'll focus on what you say about "the sociology of literature people":
"What Moretti doesn't tell you, though, is that we do this already, sometimes, in hermeneutic interpretation. We just don't emphasize it, or really work on it for its own sake."
That's a good point — and I think the same could probably be said of Moretti's work (that he "already" does hermeneutics, even if he eschews close reading). But the point of something like "Graphs, Maps & Trees" is insisting on the value of objectivation, of making the kinds of thing we do anyway (placing a work in social, historical and national context) a lot more explicit and extensive. And obviously, once that's done, Moretti is all for interpretation -- he's practically spilling over with theories about the world-system, etc...
I think that what Moretti is reacting against is not necessarily the theoretical project of “hermeneutics” or “post-hermeneutics” — which you’re right, can (as I understand it) legitimately include all sorts of information and material that’s not simply “the text” — but the specific technique of “close reading,” construed as a normative restriction on critical practice (or, at least, a privileging of certain skills above others: whatever else you do, you’re not a literary critic unless you do close reading). The argument is more against the routinization and sacralization of close reading— I believe he calls it a “theological exercise” somewhere — than it is close reading itself. (In a way, he’s still fighting against the New Criticism, which has never really been dead in America methodologically, despite it being roundly despised and discredited theoretically.) In other words, I’m fairly sure Moretti wants to be read pragmatically, in that he’s suggesting a new project, proposing a research program, rather than attacking New Criticism or Deconstruction theoretically: he’s claiming that academic literary criticism can do way more than close reading — and that it doesn’t even necessarily need to retain close reading as a strategy, in order to be legitimate. And I believe he would apply this to the extended post-hermeneutic kind of close reading you’re saying deconstruction performs: it’s fine to do it, but we don’t need to do it.
But, of course, literary critics can't do everything, and were the sociology of literature to become the mainstream of academic literary study (which is extremely unlikely) it would inevitably crowd out more interpretive methods. Which, obviously (to me) would be a bad thing. So my question — it’s a real question, something I think about a lot: Do you see ways that trends in the sociology of literature, and the work of Moretti and Casanova in particular, could be reconciled with post-hermeneutic modes of interpretation (deconstruction, phenomenology, etc.)? For polemical reasons, Moretti — and to a lesser extent Casanova — makes a whipping boy out of internal close reading and so forth, but couldn’t a later phase of the sociological project include it, just as macrosociology developed in tandem with microsociology? Could it all be done by the same person, or would it entail collaboration between scholars and theorists? Are there major theoretical differences, at the foundational levels of these approaches, that would stop this from happening? And what theorists do these people have in common, what intellectual traditions do they share?
Big questions, I know. But somebody's gotta answer them...
Happy New Year!
Evan
Evan! I agree with you totally. I tried to stick the sociology of literature people as well as the others into the framework of the hermeneutic-post-hermeneutic debates in France in the 60s and 70s, which I find keeps the problem a little more confined (and which links, you see, all these schools of thought to those I am familiar with, like phenomenology), but which has the downside of making it sound as if its the only real issue here--when, for example, I agree with you that what Moretti is about is changing the way we do research, which is a lot more wide ranging and a lot more (frankly) interesting.
There's a lot to say about this project, and I in fact really see some of the answers to the problems you talk about in certain things that Moretti is advocating. Objectifying data produces such a different method of working, that it brings about all sorts of completely different utilizations of the same tools that we use now. And one of these is, I'm starting to think, collaborative work. I don't know if it is catching on, but I think collaboration--if its only the writing of an essay by two people--is a really different thing for our very individualistic sort of academic structure. This, I think, is closer to what Richards wanted, in the end (and interestingly wanted it to emerge precisely out of close reading). It doesn't totally disrupt what is going on, but it just complicates and enlarges our perspective. It also merely is an outgrowth of what we are doing already. But it works such that all the particular criteria we place on what we consider good academic writing or study has to change. This I think is where the bridge already is between the sociology and the more intrinsic modes--and is a way of lifting (as Richards saw) the intrinsic out into the more open space of more objective research.
I just don't see how we can keep writing huge tomes by ourselves, frankly--that's the short of it. Something like Jameson's Postmodernism should have been written by 10 people--at least it feels like Jameson is trying to do 10 people's work. So why not actually get 10 people together! The real leap would be from 2 to 3, I think, and that's where Moretti is already giving us some tools to work with.
Anyway, that's one hypothesis. You really hit on something I've been thinking about too.
But I guess what I was saying is that I don't see the divide that Moretti sees between close reading and his distant reading. I see it in the practice, insofar as the ideal of close reading is different than distant reading. But that doesn't mean that a close reading can't produce distant readings in effect. And that's where I guess the crucial point is, for me, where it might be. That is, I don't think the crucial point is where Moretti is doing his distant readings and producing close readings--I don't think we can look for these points to prune away these close readings more and more until we actually get at some sort of distant reading... which is how I see him operating sometimes. For that frankly gives too much credit to close reading as a practice: perhaps less people close read that Moretti thinks. I think what that pruning accomplishes is a bit of a mystification of close reading when what it should be doing is precisely looking at closeness as an ideal. And insofar as that is the case, you can't take what Moretti says totally pragmatically--though I totally always want to, I agree it is the place where he is at his best, and is totally refreshing--for it operates back upon the ideal theoretical level. (So that's more what I mean when I say "what Moretti doesn't tell you though is that we do some of this objective work already.")
Insofar as the enemy of Moretti is closeness as an ideal, as a norm, he has to make more of a case that objectivising the data is itself a better ideal--that's where he would then really be attacking close reading. Insofar as he is making his way towards that, I applaud him--I don't think closeness should be the ideal of our study, in the end. It's way, way too restrictive and it says too little. But what he is doing is much more huge: he's assuming that the norm is coextensive with the practice, which makes close reading just everything about the way our mode of research operates right now. And fine, yes, he can counter practice with practice--I'm not going to be naive and say that norms aren't precisely the other side of practices, are totally imbricated together precisely because the norm is the coherence of the practice qua practice--but I think it'd help if he also didn't just show us what happens when you do this, but tells us. And insofar as this is what he needs, he needs to refine the object that he opposes--and all I'm saying is that object might actually be something other than close reading.
So I totally agree with what you say here! How you consider Moretti is how I consider Moretti. Like you too, I'm looking in Moretti not so much for the practices that I need to adopt, but how those practices, when I adopt them, allow me to oppose some practices in my previous way of doing things (little things like the way I cite, the way I use an example). But this leads me to think that my previous way of doing things isn't wrong because it is close reading--as Moretti would have me think. It is wrong or odd because it just is using devices the wrong way. And I want to know more about this--why it is wrong. But this is what Moretti, because he is so fascinated by the idea that he is inventing, or has the capability to invent, a totally new set of tools, seems not to see--and rightly, I think... because they work in such a new way. So I think in the end he has to choose between the tools and the effect of the tools--and chooses the latter. I am more interested in the former, is all, because I think that understanding them builds the sort of bridges between practices that we need to tackle the problems you raise about connecting the sociology of lit. with the more confined post-hermeneutic sorts of work (if only to keep them more rigorously separate like macro and micro econ). Just some thoughts! I don't know! Happy New Year!
What exactly is post-hermeniticism? I've heard of post-structuralism and most of the rest. Is Lacan a post-hermeneuticist?
Clark: It's a sort of term I invented to precisely avoid all the post-s that we are familiar with and bring back the issues that Ricoeur, Derrida, and many other people in France interested in Gadamer and Heidegger's work in the 60's and 70's dealt with. Hermeneutics, for Gadamer (in his Truth and Method), is the disclosure of meaning, such that one can eventually assert that a meaning *is there* (in a text, or anywhere). What I mean when I say post-hermeneutics is a procedure of interpretation that does not disclose meaning, that operates such that it does not assert that meaning *is.* More rigorously, it would be something that stays as far away from disclosure itself (which tends towards the disclosure of meaning) as possible. And I'd say that with this term you can say that many post-structuralist and post-modernist discourses are, at various points, hermeneutic or post-hermeneutic. There is a more popular term out there, which is "anti-hermeneutic" (this was a phrase tossed around more in France at the time--no one was concerned as we are with the "posts" as such). People described Lacan's discourse as well as Foucault's, I think, as anti-hermeneutic. But I'd say Lacan and Foucault are also post-hermeneutic--which means they aren't even defined by opposing hermeneutics. They just interpret without concern for meaning. In the end, too, these moments might alternate with moments of being just purely hermeneutic.
In the end, though, I think that Lacan might end up being somewhat more post-hermeneutic than we'd usually think. Does that make sense? I think many (many Lacanians perhaps) call him anti-hermeneutic, but in doing so don't see how he is post-hermeneutic. We also don't see that structuralists are pretty post-hermeneutic. So that means that the term can traverse a lot of ground.
OK thanks. I was just a tad confused.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Nietzsche quotes.
Talking much about oneself can be also be a means to conceal oneself. (Beyond Good and Evil)
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